Why does the game keep preselecting this Rhydon?

Updated on June 5, 2017 in General Discussion
14 on June 4, 2017


Why does the game think this is my best attacker?

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The above Pokemon invariably ends up in the preselected party of 6, and I just don’t get it.  It doesn’t seem to matter who the defenders are (except if it’s all water, or something), this Rhydon is always there, and most often first in line.  I have plenty of high-level pokemon who are better attackers available.  Sure, Rhydon is bulky and has an okay attack stat, but so does Snorlax, and the game never suggests a higher-level Snorlax for my party.  Ever.  I have a 3400+ DB/DC always available for attacking, and it only makes it in the preselected party about half of the time.  My high-level Vaporeons are almost never suggested, even with type advantage for the whole gym, and Gyarados, Jolteon, Machamp only rarely appear in the preselected party (but usually for the right reasons).  Lapras never, despite being my best available counter to Dragonite.  The only other pokemon who constantly appear in the suggested list are Exeggutor and Golem, and they are usually much more useful than Rhydon.

I could always unfavorite Rhydon.  I tried unfavoriting this particular one, and the game just suggested another weaker Rhydon.  I could unfavorite all Rhydons, but they do have their uses, and I often have them as a backup for Snorlax or Tyranitar.  So I did a little test to see under what conditions it would continue to suggest this Rhydon.  I put various high-level defenders in empty gyms and prestiged once and/or took gyms down to level 1 with a single defender left.  For Dragonite, Tyranitar, Snorlax, and even Gyarados, this Rhydon was selected (usually first).  WTF?  I fought with it.  It did crush the Tyranitar.  It probably would have done well against the Snorlax (ZH/BS) if I could have dodged better, but the REALLY slow moves on this Rhydon make it virtually impossible to dodge effectively, so I ended up losing the battle.  The two ground moves against Dragonite would seem to make it a really poor choice by the game, but it actually did better than I thought it would; still a horrible choice compared to any ice type, any pokemon with rock moves (especially quick rock moves), another dragonite, or anything, really.  The game even suggests this pokemon for a counter to Blissey, albeit not first on the list.

Anyway, does anyone have any insight as to why this Rhydon with bad attacking moves always gets suggested as the go-to attacker… or insights into the game’s preselection process, in general?

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2 on June 4, 2017

No clue here. I am, however, stunned at the level of research and insight you have put in. Very impressive. Here’s my level of sophistication when it comes to gym battling or training. 

Battling: “Hey Ghost! Look at that blue/yellow gym with only (pick a number equal to 3 or less) mons! You can take ’em! And get 10 more gold coins!” So I select the gym and battle with whatever is already chosen for me. After a few battles, I put a mon, typically something over 3000CP, in the gym, battle it once to add a few hundred points to the gym and walk away. Oh yeah, collect coins.

Training/Prestiging: “Hey Ghost! Look at that red gym! It has an empty spot, jump in!” Or “IT only needs 1000 points (or less) to open up a spot in the gym! And get 10 more gold coins!” So I select the gym, look and see what the lowest CP in the gym is and pick my first 3 mons around 1/2 that number regardless of type. I do not select the other 3 because I rely on them to bail me out if I did not make good choices. Battle enough to push up to next level, add a mon that is generally in the top half and walk away. Oh yeah, collect coins.

So reading what you have done Dos makes me feel like a grade schooler enrolled in the doctorate program. Thanks! Seriously, I love reading this stuff because it does make me a better player. 

Trainer
on June 4, 2017

I do not select the other 3 because I rely on them to bail me out if I did not make good choices. 

From GreyGhost11B

But you’re making sure the other three that you don’t select are 1/2 CP, too, right?  Otherwise you’re not getting as many prestige points as you could be getting.

Trainer
on June 4, 2017

Nope! I leave them exactly as they are hoping they will keep me from getting my a$$ kicked. And now we see why I still do not have the gym related gold medals.

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1 on June 4, 2017

I would answer your question by paraphrasing the way my parents would answer my questions when I was a kid, “Because Niantic said so.”

Trainer
on June 4, 2017

That’s usually the appropriate answer, lol.  I call tell the selection algorithm cares about the movesets on the defenders and it puts more weight on the top defender, but other than that, I can’t figure it out.  Today I hatched a Larvitar, giving me enough candies for another Tyranitar.  It ended up with Bite/Stone Edge.  Now the game always has that first in the party.  It’s a definite improvement, and I suspect I won’t have to spend so much time rearranging things.

 

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2 on June 4, 2017

I find Rhydons my best fighters for going against Blisseys

Trainer
on June 4, 2017

Really?  They resist Hyperbeam only and they are soooooo slow that I’m surprised you can make it in time.  I’ve used Rhydon against Blissey only when I’m in a group, otherwise I’ll time out if the Blissey is at a higher level.

 

Mod
on June 4, 2017

That makes sense, since I always am fighting in a group of 4, we all use Rhydons.

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0 on June 4, 2017

No insight on the original question, but my rhydons have been a big disappointment, mainly for reasons of speed, but I’m not sure that’s the only reason why.

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3 on June 4, 2017

Why don’t you leave him and the other unwanted ones unhealed? Perhaps leaving them at low hp would help.

Mod
on June 4, 2017

That’s what I want to do with all my Jolteons, when I go against Gyarados and Dragonites, I get 6 of them and if I don’t change them out all 6 get slaughtered.

Trainer
on June 5, 2017

 

OCD.  Can’t leave my poor babies injured.

Mod
on June 5, 2017

I know what you mean, I thought about grinding them for candy, but I can’t do that either, so I end up powering them up some more, so that last a little longer in the battle.

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